Publius Valerius (Character)

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My post on the IGS

Sadly this post got deleted.

Sarcasms on/

Prologue

Hi to all,

some will know me, many dont. Some will know me form this discussion (here, sadly alot got cut). Im a Trader out of the Khanid Kingdom, so I dont use the IGS so much and this will be the last time I will use it. We all know, that in New Eden are laws/gesetze are split along of characters/nations/groups. So, that I actually can life in a world were 4+2=7 and 4+2=6 are both TRUE, possible and plausible. We see this splitting everyday. For example: In the Federation – a political system, a society – where opportunity cost dont exist fully; and therefore people havent sometimes to choose along of any trade offs (to reach two contradicting goals/goods are fully possible and plausible). A trully impressing thing; even more, if you see that the rest of New Enden has to choose by trade offs along a indifference curve. Those are trully impressing things, but lets talk today about another impressing thing in New Eden; which splits laws/gesetze along of nations/characters/etc..... The Khanid Kingdom.

Act I

You may now ask: What is this law/gesetze which got split? Does it count for everyone, but not the Kingdom? So I will answer to first question first: The law of survival; that a nation, in the international relation under anarchy, first goal is to survive. As for the second question. Yes it looks like, that the Kingdom, as nation/player/agent, hasnt the goal to survive and/or has violated this law. Many people will know, that the Kingdom and Empire had some negotiations in YC 111, and this is now the topic of this post.

Quote: "The Khanid Kingdom retains its de facto independence, but is a de jure vassal state of the Empire. Or, otherwise, Khanid II is technically a subordinate to Jamyl I, but otherwise runs his Kingdom exactly the same way he did prior to the whole agreement." [1] Which isnt possible, you cant be independent and be a vassel in the same time. So he -- Eterne -- had should wrote: The Khanid Kingdom lost its independence, and is the jure a vassel state of the Empire; it was before independent and it wasnt a vassel. Khanid II is subordinate to Jamyl, and was that not before. We see clearly a change of the status quo from before and after the "agreement". Even if this change is blurry, it gives us a above and below player/agent/nation.

Or in other words:
Jamly I is above Khanid II. Or in Eterne words: Khanid is technically a subordinate to Jamyl. [2]
Jamly's spiritual authority is above Khanid's spiritual authority.
"God's law above man's law" is above "Khanid's personal survical justification; aka Man's law is above God's law".
Empire is above the Kingdom.

As we all know the Kingdom was ones a independent nation/playerf/agent inside the world of New Eden. This has change. The Kingdom has lost his sovereignty and is de jure, by law, under the control of the Empire. More precisly, he is technically a subordinate to Jamyl I. [3] Which is now the new head/overlord/empress of the kingdom. Which also means, that Jamyl as new head of the state/union is also the head of the church. As both empires are ceasearopaper states [4] [5], where the head of the state is also the head of the church [6]. This means, that above Khanids spiritual authority is Jamyls spiritual authority. Which then means that "God comes before the rule of man" is again law of the land in the kingdom. But I stray from the subject.

So back to the point: The Khanid Kingdom is de jure vassal state of the Empire. To be More precisly, it is technically a subordinate to Jamyl I. [7] As we can see the kingdom has give up sovereignty to the empire. A move which has the possiblity to endanger his own survival. This move would be "normally" rejected by any player; but not from the Kingdom. Why you may ask? I dont know. Some would say in their own logical-deductiv way, in their own syllogism, that:

Major premise: (1) The law of survival; that a nation, in the international realation under anarchy, first goal is to survive.
Minor premise: (2) It is also rather likely that the development actually strengthens Khanid's rule within the Kingdom. He is confirmed as the rightful Holder of the Khanid Region. He is confirmed as a King in his own right as ruler of a Kingdom of the Empire. The reunification-minded subjects of the Kingdom cannot be anything but happy with the development. The religious-minded subjects are most probably rather happy about it all. Those who stayed absolutely loyal to Khanid have that loyalty endorsed by the Empress of Amarr as in fact loyalty to the interests of Holy Amarr all along. [8]
Conclusion: (3) Therefore had the Kingdom endager his survival.

Which has the problem, that it doesnt answer the question. Why, you may ask? Because, the Major premise and the conclusion of the action are conflicting. Thats is the reason, that such a conclusion/outcome would only be possible if the law is wrong. [OOC: So technically we would have to falsify the law, and to make new one, to come to Eterne's outcome. Which I cant wait to see.]. And, that the law is wrong is the only possiblity, if we look on that what is/was happening and say: The outcome is TRUE. Of course, not wrong generally, for any other faction its still counts; as it can be seen in their history. It just isnt in use for the kingdom. Like I mention in the prologue. You may ask now, wait what is with the Empire? Hasnt the Kingdom not gain a seat in the PC (Privy Council)? Yes It does.

I know what some are thinking now: "Dude listen man, Personally, I can't understand why the enormous gain in power that comes with regaining a seat on the Closed Council of the Privy Council is being underestimated." [9] The problem is the assumption of gaining power thru the PC. In the PC, the players havent their power thru the seat there, the power comes from the position they have outside of it. Or in other words: "The Privy Council can be considered a meeting of the rulers of the Empire, but one which does not actually act with any inherent authority. Instead, all authority is derived from the positions the members of the Council already hold." [10] Which means the Kingdom hasnt gain power, it had gain a "voice opportunity" [see: "voice opportunity" Joseph M. Grieco]. And a "voice opportunity", doesnt endanger the sovereignty and/or survival of the Empire. I repeat, no power gain for Khanid, just a gain of "voice opportunity"; and no endanger the survival of the empire.

Act II

His royal seal and the goal. We can debate his royal seal all day long, what his actual meaning is; but one thing we can say for sure: That it was a justification for not killing himself, during the amarr succession trails of 23401 AD (1). So even, if the point what Khanid II "truly" intent with the seal is still open [11]. We cant denail, that it is his base of is personal survival justification.

So now, let us look at the imperial seal, as we have to understand its meaning too; to understand what this "personal survical justification" stands up against. We know, that: «When we came out of the Dark and formalized the Imperial Creed, […] man and God were reunited together again, albeit imperfectly [...] Theology Council asserts that the rule of God comes before the rule of man.» [12] So its "personal survical justification" has to stand against: God comes before the rule of man, nothing change that fact. Also the Theology Council, though, followed due process and sent a firmly worded message to Khanid inviting him to explain his heresy. [13] Which means, that we can add something to the first point. So our new first point would be: (1)That it (the royal seal) was a justification for his heresy of not killing himself, during the amarr succession trails of 23401 AD.

As for today, this "personal survical justification" doesnt stand anymore, as vassel has the Kingdom come back to the "Holy Amarr". De jure under Jamyls spiritual authority. Inside the kingdom we have a new paradigm: God's law comes before the rule of man. And I can just say; with this new revelation, I had started to ask some questions. Like is Khanid II for me de jure a heretic again? And I have to say: YES! He is. He has become for its own citizens a person non grata. Actually de jure a couldnt rule anymore. He should lost his life in the trails of 23401, which he hasnt; what makes even his living to a crime. So any KHANID KINGDOM citizen should now have only one slogan: "Khanid II has to go, and/or he has to die." And de jure we are doing and saying something which is rightful and not against the law. As the agreement has change the paradigm in the kingdom.

"Those who stayed absolutely loyal to Khanid II" [14], have to ask themself. Can we trust a King, which endager the survival of the kingdom? The answer can just be: No. We have to ask, what a person would do such a decision/move? He has violate his sovereignty/and the sovereignty of the nation in this move. A move, which I love to add, also can endanger his first goal: to Survive. Any move which has to possiblity endanger this, would be normally rejected. We could only construct such a move if we take some tools from this Khanid II. Like give him less information, make him stupid; but even then wouldnt be this outcome possible. Example: Lets say, we make this player, Khanid II, totally informationless. Done? Yes. Okay, so now he has no information, so how he choose? Most likely thru a coin toss, as he hasnt any objectiv to the outcome or situation of the game. Okay, even then is this outcome just 50/50, as were the coin lands; so still not likely. Now, what could we do? We have make him already Information and knowledge-less. The only way, that would work is to make him selfdestructing. So do we have a King, where the only way of explaining his action is that we say he is irrational and selfdestructing. So anyone who stays absoulutely loyal KHANID II should now ask oneself: "What person do I follow? Does he even wiches to life and rule?" If the answer is "no", you should say: "Khanid II has to go, and/or he has to die."

Act III

I hope you dont mind if I speak to other people and hope they will join this goal. The goal, that Khanid II has to go and/ to die. I hope other citizens from the othe rnation will help the Kingdom do the righful thing, which is also legal. First to the brothers in the Empire.

To the Liberal and Neo Reclaimer: You are a Liberal and Neo Reclaimer? And it doesnt matter if you are from the empire, kingdom and mandate, as your goal is spread the amarrian faith, with the Scriptures and Heiderans Pax Amarria. This goal doesnt change its nature, thru the nation (Mandate, Empire, Kingdom) you are from. Your goal is prosperity and stability through peace and diplomacy, and strong relationships with other cultures; thru the amarrian faith. Heideran VII had a vision and who would stay against him? As Sarumites – a traditional reclaimer – would you maybe stay in opposition to the tools of reclaiming, but not againts the idea of reclaiming. The same counts also for any other group/family – Kadorites, Kor-Azorites, Tash-Murkonites, Ardishapurites – thru the amarrian world. So again, I ask: Heideran VII had a vision and who would stay against him? Is there a person, in our ranks, which stays against the former emperor and his wisdom? Who would call a amarrian emperor – the supreme head of the church and state – a whimpering fool? What kind of person would do such a thing? There is only one; and his name is Khanid II. If you are a Liberal and Neo Reclaimer your only word to Khanid II can be: "Khanid II has to go, and/or he has to die."

To the Conservatives and traditional Reclaimers: You may have a different view on the tools of reclaiming. Maybe you even strongly believe that the Empire has to spread the word of God to every other heathen culture and bring them to the light according to the old reclaiming principles, all of this by divine war and conquest, like in the old days. There are many ways in which God's law can shinne throw New Eden. But you – and your Neo Reclaimer bothers – never stay in oppostion to God's law. You would see Khanid's "personal survical justification" also as what it is: A heresy. If you are a Conservative and traditional Reclaimer your only word to Khanid II can be: "Khanid II has to go, and/or he has to die."

To the Orthodoxes and Theological Council members/supporters: First let me bow before the holders of faith, the priest, the Council members, Ardishapurites and anyone which has his life fully mandated to the Scriptures. I can only imagen which high pressure and obligations you have to fulfil. I have you always been considered as the most faithful and keeper of the old fervent, religious traditions. So your word to Khanid II heresy can only be: "Khanid II has to go, and/or he has to die."

To all people of New Eden I say: "Khanid II has to go, and/or he has to die."

Epilogue

As conclusion to the prologue; I have found that some laws arnt in use for me. I have found, that I can use magic, to be more precisely can use the Force. I have found out that Im a wizard and I have conjure me on the otherside of the Station door. Sadly, I hadnt done it inside the Federation, so that i had to take a trade off: I could only do this by losing all my capsuleer capability. Today I life a normal baseliner life inside the caldari state. So this will be the last time you see me. Have fun and fly save.

[OOC: You may ask me to PROVE my statement in the epilogue; so that I SHOW it is POSSIBLE and PLAUSIBLE. True. And I will ask you the same what I have ask CCP Eterne: PROVE that point three [15] is a POSSIBLE and PLAUSIBLE outcome. And how can he do this? By falsify a law. SO EASY IS THAT. Have fun guys, by doing so. And when your on it, you can also PROVE, why for the Federation opportunity cost doesnt exist. I would love to get some Doctor titles.]

P.S. Sorry for any misspellings.

/Sarcasms Off

short version

I got a massage which said: "If you have actually studied politics and were good at it, you shouldn't have any trouble constructing several different scenarios depending on individuals and states in the equation. Me? My problem is that I tend to present all my ideas for solutions in quick succession, which makes me sound as if I'm contradicting myself. It's an issue, to be sure - especially if I'm talking with people who don't speak English natively." (H. Caul).

Which goes exactly in the direction which I try to show: I understand where your problem is. You still think that point three is possible and that a person could construct such an outcome. But that isnt the case. Point. Why? it is a violation of a law. You could come up with hunderds scenarios and they all wouldnt work. Thats the POINT. How hard is it to understand? Esan, Lucius and others have it understand in a sec. I think after reading this that the problem is on your site; that you still think, that three is possible, and there is a scenario out there which shows it is. Sadly no... since the days of melos [16] and before this law stands. He needs to falsify it to come to his outcome.

So in short form... No scenario will ever explain point three.
If you construct a scenario, you will always fail on the point, that you split your tools/magic/choices/braincells along of the characters/nations/agents/players (aka making a TonyG).

Thats why Eterne will never have a explanation, which hasnt that problem. How come? It is because he as broke a law.

my points on this issue

(1) Khanid II recognized Jamyl I as the rightful Empress of the Amarr and dropped any claim he might have on her throne. AND Jamyl I recognized Khanid II as the rightful King of the Khanid Kingdom and dropped any claim she might had on his throne.
(2) The Khanid Kingdom and the Amarr Empire now enjoy a mutual defense pact.
(3) The Khanid Family has a seat on the Privy Council. So the kingdom has gain a "voice opportunity", without endanger the survival of the empire. Jamly, the empire, has gain former Court Chamberlain Dochuta Karsoth.